On “The Daily Show” last week, host Trevor Noah may have tried to ease concerns about trans people, especially in regards to women’s sports, but his guest seemed to demonstrate why many people have such concerns in the first place. During the segment, transwoman athlete Veronica Ivy suggested that preventing transwomen from competing against biological women in sports is both transphobic and racist but also claimed that transgendered people are about to take over many aspects of Western life.

Ivy, a Canadian track cyclist who won the UCI Masters World Track Cycling Championship sprint for women ages 35-44 in 2018, claimed on the show that differences in male and female physiology are “irrelevant” to whether transwomen should be able to compete against biological women.

“The range in body types within the female category is way, way bigger than anything that could be attributed to transwomen,” Ivy said.

Ivy even pushed back against distinguishing between transwomen and biological women.

“I am a woman. That’s a fact. I am female. So, all my identity records, my racing license, my medical records all say ‘female,'” Ivy explained to Noah. “And I’m pretty sure I’m made of biological stuff.

“Like, I don’t think I’m a cyborg.”

Ivy also believes that racism undergirds efforts to undermine transwomen in female sports.

“Who gets singled out for scrutiny is based on white women’s conception of femininity,” Ivy said and argued that any effort to exclude transwomen is based on “protecting the fragile, weak, cis white woman from the rest of us.”

For his part, Noah spent much of the interview playing some version of devil’s advocate while still attempting to keep the lines of communication open because, he says, the topic has become so heated that people often revert to silence rather than engage in dialogue.

Transgenderism “feels like one of the biggest issues in America, and yet, no one can seem to talk about it,” Noah said to open the segment.

Noah, for instance, wondered about biological women who are not transphobic but still believe that transwomen athletes have a distinct advantage in competitive sport, and the victory of 29-year-old transwoman skateboarder at the Boardr Open women’s finals in New York City late last month seems to support this argument.

He also tried to calm fears about the presence of transgendered people in other areas of Western life.

“We’re always going to end up in a cul-de-sac because many people use [transgenderism] as a cudgel, I’ve realized, to scare people. ‘Oh the transgenders are coming for you, your bathrooms, your sports, your everything,” Noah said.

But those fears may have been reignited when Ivy interrupted and insisted, “Oh we are.”

Even Noah appeared taken aback by that response and warned Ivy, “Be careful what you say.”

During the interview, Veronica Ivy, who used to go by the name Rachel McKinnon, wore a shirt that claims “Sport is a human right” and spent much of the segment defending competitive sport as “one of the most important facets of our society.”

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